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be wise to look beyond the fiscal cliff because all the fears it's tomorrow doing the economy are misplaced. >> most economists have said if we go into 2013 without a deal we'll go into recession. >> we might have into 2013 for three days or knife days or a week before there's a deal. that's about it. the pressure from financial markets will be too great so the scenario that you just referred to to, we go over the cliff, had and the economy sinks. i want to emphasize that cannot happen. >> let me move on to another topic. timothy geithner has said he's not returning for another four years. your name has been mentioned as a replacement. >> of course they are not going to make any changes during that team during the pennedsy of all of this. the president has lots of good choices for whatever comes next. i very much doubt that i'll be part of that but they are in good shape and they don't have anything to do about this. do youly jack lew would be a good treasury secretary. fiscal issues will continue to be and the for foernt even after after agreement on the cliff and the preside
, the good people, the upcoming fiscal cliff. >> the economy is the car and rich sman a driver. don't give the driver many. they will drive you over a cliff. just common sense. >> eric: not exactly. the only way to save the republic is for us to let the president go off the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up. but mandatory spending cuts get enacted. that seems to be the only way dems will cut a dime. let's save the place for the kids. do you agree? >> greg: i do. >> bob: i think you're crazy. >> greg: funny that bob and i agree but for different reasons. fiscal cliff is a horrible med fore. i means the high grade leftism. what you get are massive cuts in defense. and higher taxes. that means the government expands without improving the one thing that works. so you are feeding obese fat man called the government who still isn't doing any good. what they are doing is blackmailing us. president obama is blackmailing saying if you don't do this, if you don't raise taxes on 2%, this is what will happen. >> eric: can i take issue with that? what if we don't go off the fiscal cliff? we are about sequ
get weird around here. >> interesting outfit. >> my gosh! >> eric: yes, the dreaded fiscal cliff. tax hike, spending cut and sequestion ration, whatever they are. belly flop the economy at once. comfortabling the know that d.c. is on top of it all. alex simpson, former senator and the guy that everyone thinks is a lifeguard at the fiscal pool. ♪ ♪ >> eric: okay, beckel is gangnam style. good to know we're in good hands but get serious, folks. >> any word from karl rove? >> despite what we're telling you, it's over. romney lost. >> i guess it's time i explain, the good people, the upcoming fiscal cliff. >> the economy is the car and rich sman a driver. don't give the driver many. they will drive you over a cliff. just common sense. >> eric: not exactly. the only way to save the republic is for us to let the president go off the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up. but mandatory spending cuts get enacted. that seems to be the only way dems will cut a dime. let's save the place for the kids. do you agree? >> greg: i do. >> bob: i think you're crazy. >> greg: funny that bob and i agree but
cliff? are you expecting the economy to go over the fiscal cliff and see these taxes go high hadder and spending cuts take effect? >> my personal view is i'm still optimistic. i think the conversation has been constructive since. do we have a solution on the table yet? no. but i'm optimistic we'll get to a framework. >> why? >> there's been enough dialogue. there's been movement. everyone seems to recognize the problem. everybody realizes there has to be a revenue component, spend component, entitlement reform component. for us, the business community and all the ceos, certainty is the greatest stimulus for us. >> do you support tax rates going higher? >> me personally, as an individual, more importantly the business community, which i'm part of. we support something inclusive. if rates were higher in a videocasset vacuum, i'm not sure we'd be supportive of that. we have to make sure the consumers, those who spends a lot of the dollars, the middle class, are protected in this exercise. >> i guess the question i'm really getting at is, do you get the revenue from tax increases or fro
to understand given how much going over the fiscal cliff would hurt the economy. why is going over the fiscal cliff worth it for just this one component? if you can get the other components, why wouldn't you take that? >> good question. thanks for asking. what we're trying to do is put in place a comprehensive balance set of fiscal reforms that put us back on the path to living within our means and create room for investing to make the economy stronger, make sure we're protecting medicare for future generations, and forcing the government to use the taxpayers' resources more wisely. in that context, you have to have a significant amount of revenues. we don't see a way of doing it that makes any sense or has any political viability without rates going up as part of that deal. again, the size of the problem in some sense is so large it can't be solved without rates going up. i think there's a broad recognition of that reality now. if you listen carefully to the talk not just in this town, but you hear what businesses and investors say, i think there's broad recognition that rates are going to g
the fiscal cliff and right now the economy is in a fragile position. >> no one can argue with that one. a lot of criticism on both sides and a lot pointing to republicans that they want to see the fiscal cliff happen. is there any upside if we actually go over the cliff? >> there's no upside if we go over the cliff and what you've seen the last couple of weeks is political theater. that's how we negotiate things here in washington d.c. and the good news, the president put forth a plan and republicans have put forth a plan and i believe that obama will have to come to the table with more spending cuts and entitlement reform and republicans might have to give in to some tax increases and the cbo do a recent report, saying if republicans get what they want in extending the entire bush tax cut plan. it would only increase the gd growth by 1.5%. if we do what president obama wants to do, it will only increase the gdp by 1.25%, having said that, it's just not about tax cuts, doug, it's more about cutting wasteful government spending. >> i was going to ask doug about that. doug, would you admit. sin
seriously hampered last month's hiring. among them, concerns about the looming fiscal cliff. and other factors, as well. abc's tahman bradley has that story from washington. >> reporter: the fiscal cliff is still three weeks away. but the economy may have already taken a hit. economists predict the government's monthly jobs report, due out later this morning, will show that employers added fewer than 100,000 workers in november. superstorm sandy may be part of the reason job creation slowed. but worry over the fiscal cliff may have also had an immaterial pact. some economists believe that 200,000 fewer jobs thhave been created this year, due to uncertainty about the fiscal cliff. >> it's very important we get it done now. >> reporter: republicans and democrats are talking again. but still, no breakthrough. the parties are locked in a stalemate. president obama is demanding that higher tax rates for the wealthy and a permanent extension of the debt ceiling, the government's ability to borrow money, be part of the deal. >> he's assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars out a
. the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff, and the more american jobs are placed in jeopardy. >> good morning. the president has said on a daily basis that we should be passing a balanced plan. but what we hear from the president is continuing only discussion on one side of the ledger. it has always been about tax rate increases, and nothing about spending. and we insist, say, look, mr. president, let's talk about a balanced plan, but where are your specifics on the spending cuts? even his own advisers say that any kind of agreement that we come to has to deal with the prime drivers of our deficit, which is the spending, particularly the health care entitlement programs. so we ask the president to please sit down with us and be specific and let's get that balanced plan. you know, it's interesting that the senate has passed a bill that is a bill calling for increased revenues of $850 billion. the president continues to say, support that bill, pass that bill. well, how is that the case when he continues to say we also need $1.4
on entrepreneurs. it is the secret sauce that's built the american economy. >> what about the fiscal cliff? you brought it up. do you think they will take us over the cliff at this point and how damaging if that happens would it be not only to entrepreneurship but to the country as a whole? >> i think it will be troubling. hopefully they won't. i know there is a lot of posturing and hopefully a lot of quiet negotiations happening and hopefully there will be a resolution that can build pore. it is important not just for the fiscal cliff. i think the country and actually the world is looking at washington saying can these guys work together in a collaborative bipartisan way to deal with fiscal issues, our entrepreneurship issues, we have to start building that bipartisan support. congress did come together, republicans and democrats, house and senate with support of the white house to pass the jobs act around access to capital for entrepreneurs so we have some example of that. hopefully that momentum will continue not just on the fiscal cliff in the coming weeks but issues like the start-up act 2
of going over the fiscal cliff is overblown. it will get done. an 11th hour deal. john, as you read the politics at play, what do you see? >> i see both sides digging in. you've just played the president saying i want that rate hike. the republicans are saying mr. president, we'll give you the revenues, but not through a rate hike, but the president believes he won the election and he's upped the ante. says he wants twice as much in tax revenues than a year and a half ago, so the president believes he has the higher ground. i think maybe the democrats have a deeper trench, if you will. they have public on their side. but if you talk to people in washington, there's still this sense that at a last minute, reason will prevail, but there's not a lot of optimism. you know this and my colleagues know this, more and more people are talking about the threat. not only if you don't deal with this, you'll send the united states back in a recession, but that the global economy is teetering. they're in their political vaults and maybe blind to the political stakes. >> ken, let me share somethin
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because there's no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> morris, what can be accomplished face-to-face between these two men? that's our number two. >> well listen. boehner is starting to remind me of newt gingrich. remember the whole situation where newt gingrich got upset with clinton, he wanted to shut down government. this speaker be a student of history. this is a bad situation for you. this i not a situation where he has to sit down face-to-face with the president. remember we have a presidential system, not a parliamentary system. i would like to remind my colleague susan. republicans los seats in every chamber. you didn't have mandate. you los your seats in both chambers. you need to come and deal with the -- >> i said members of congress had a mandate. >> you need to deal with the will of the public. it was very clear thought was about 250,000. not warren buffett, warren buffett, average americans, $250,000. mr. speaker, whether you sit down with the president or the
that the president has adopted deliberate strategy the slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code, cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending problem. not a receive knew problem. the president doesn't agree with our proposal, i believe that he's got an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such a plan. >> mr. speaker, you did speak with the president earlier this week. can you characterize that call? did he have any kind of counteroffer? also, we understand that he just is making clear that it is -- got to be increase in rates for the wealthy or no deal. are you willing to give a little bit, maybe just not all the way to 39.6? >> it was the -- the phone call was pleasant. but it was just more of the same. the conve
in this country should of course we go over that fiscal cliff. what is that going to do to the economy and ability to create jobs next year? >> the last thing the economy needs right now is for a big tax hike on the middle class. the $2,200 tax increase for the typical family you alluded to, we calculate that would cause consumer spending to fall by $200 billion next year. that would cut the growth of consumption by 1.7 percentage points and shave 1.4 percentage points off gdp growth. there's a simple solution here which is just to extend middle class tax cuts which the senate has already done. >> we got good numbers this morning. i'm willing to take them at face value. better than a bid. not great. we want 400,000 jobs. do we still need to spend so much money on the payroll tax cut and extended unemployment gains given the fact that we got good news today? >> first and foremost, we need to extend middle class tax cuts. that should be our highest priority. the economy can still use support in the short-term. i think the more we do for the long-term to show that we're on a fiscally sustainable path
to be 33%. the winner, the fiscal cliff, 35%. what are people saying about the fiscal cliff? we have people write in, and i believe that's what we'll look at next. we'll look at the probability of a u.s. recession. that has come up. in part because of the fiscal cliff concerns. it was 19% back in march. a high of 36%. so we're halfway between the low and the high pretty much. this is a 13-month high for the probability of recession. now we want to show you what people are saying about the fiscal cliff, allowing the economy to go over the cliff would be extremely reckless, says donnelly. they're going out to try to help the unemployment rate. wall street doesn't believe it's going to happen. they do believe it will help lower mortgage rates and the unemployment rate and not a lot of help expected for the stock market. melissa? >> steve, thanks for that. that's interesting stuff there. >> nothing like getting your blood pressure up. liesman testing you live on tv. >> what do you think? wrong, wrong. brought back bad memories, huh, carl? 2013 housing market outlook this morning, according to t
imprisoned. >>> to the fiscal cliff now. the clock continues to tick away. lawmakers now have just 24 days left to make a deal and avoid that combination of big tax hikes and drastic spending cuts that could hit the economy hard. today we are hearing more from both the president and from republicans. with me now, nbc news white house correspondent mike viqueira. viq, does there appear to be any progress? >> reporter: i don't think so, craig, and we're watching it pretty closely. we thought perhaps after yesterday there would be. but this morning in his weekly address the president says no compromise. those top late rates for the w will raise one way or the other, but the wiggle room may be raise by how much. visiting a d.c.-area diner, vice president joe biden said if the gop were willing, the debt deal could be done in short order. >> it would take 15 minutes from the time the decision was made by the speaker of the house to pass and make permanent the middle-class tax cut. the president would probably have me sprint up to the hill to bring the bill down for him to sign. >> reporter: but
their fiscal cliff end game. give in on taxes and take the economy hostage again. congressman chris van hollen responds tonight. >>> somehow raising the medicare eligibility age is back in the fiscal cliff discussion. david cay johnston says it would be -- to do it, and he is here tonight. >> what we shouldn't be doing is try to take away your rights to bargain for better working conditions. >> in michigan, the president stands up for workers like he has never done before. >> these so-called right the work laws, they don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. >> tonight the president's big speech, and why the fight in michigan is an assault on workers everywhere. >>> plus, major news on a white house push for immigration reform. in 40 years after man's last trip to the moon, a return voyage may be a reality. astronomer derrick ditz will tell you why the golden spike is a big deal. good to have you with us, folks. thanks for watching. the new republican strategy is to take the american economy hostage when they don't get what they want. they realize their back is
have another developing story with the ongoing negotiations of the fiscal cliff. despite spine signs of a deal in sight, house speaker boehner accused the president of holding back when it comes to spending cuts. >> the longer white house slow walk this is process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. that's not fixing our problem. frankly, it's making it worse. >> let me bring in our "news nation" political panel this hour. chris cafinus, michael smerkonish and louies romanis. what are we to make of speaker boehner coming out today, not sure of the overall message other than he wanted to have, i guess, a sound bite to play today as we continue to talk and the president is off at least negotiating behind the scenes on the fiscal cliff. >> i think you called it, tamron. look, the rhetoric is scaled back dramatically in the last few days. they're talking and seriously evidenced by the fact we're not learning that much. they're keeping it pretty close to the ve
the white house slow walks this discussion, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff and the more american jobs are placed in jeopardy. >> good morning. the president has said on a daily basis that we should be passing a balanced plan. but what we hear from the president is continuing only discussion on one side of the ledger. it has always been about tax rates increases and nothing about spending. and we insist and say, look, mr. president, let's talk about a balanced plan, but where are your specifics on the spending cut? even his own advisers say that any kind of agreement that we come to has to deal with the prime drivers of our deficit, which is the spending, and particularly, the health care entitlement programs. so we ask the president to please sit down with us and be specific and let's get that balanced plan. you know, it's interesting that the senate has passed a bill that is a bill calling for increased revenues of $850 billion. the president continues to say, support that bill, pass that bill. well, how is that the case when he continues to say we also need $1.4 trilli
if the economy goes over the fiscal cliff. now joining me on krn, jim cash. good morning and thanks for joining us. >> good morning. thank you. >> tell us a little bit about the results of this survey which indicate that companies have been reacting to the fiscal cliff by pulling back on spending or hiring. why haven't we seen that show up in the jobs report? is there a concern that we might see more of a pullback into next year? >> i think that's exactly what this survey is saying. about 50% have already taken some action. i think companies right now are waiting to see what's going to happen and it really comes down to two major issues. if we can get this fiscal cliff issue resolved, then we are looking at a pretty optimismic outlook from our members. but if we don't get the fiscal cliff, almost 60% said they'll be looking at cutting jobs and/or layoffs. >> cfos are notoriously less sang win than ceos. it's not particularly surprising that this group is expressing some contingency plans. but on average, they expect the u.s. to add of a million jobs next year. so kind of a divide here between t
to the economy. we're going to have a fight on the fiscal cliff. another on the debt ceiling. it's destroying confident in the markets and what bothers me, larry, you know the subprime crisis hit like that. there was no warning. we could have another one like that. >> somebody has to control spending. i think the debt ceiling over a period of time is one way to do it. i'm sorry to you both. i have to get out of here. >> only roughly 800 billion apart. they can come together and solve it. >> i think the main tax -- >> for the good of the country. i'm probably not going to like the deal but that's probably what will happen. >> thank you so much. quick programming note. i will come to you life from our nation's capital tomorrow night as part of cnbc's special all day coverage. rise above, mission critical. now how do you like this scenario? the u.s. government using our tax money to build up an electric battery firm but after it fails the company sells out to a chinese outfit who takes advantage of our own taxpayer dollars. now producing for japan. there is something wrong with this picture. we'
for infrastructure in our economy. so that's why there's such interest in averting this fiscal cliff. and i think that we can do that by simply taking up the senate bill. we continue the middle class tax cuts. >> before i let you go, starting today, same-sex couples in washington were able to marry for the first time because the state's same-sex marriage law took effect on friday. the supreme court announcing on friday, the same-sex law took effect at midnight. the supreme court announcing friday it's going to wade into the same-sex marriage debate. as a politician who is openly gay, are we on the cusp of a tectonic shift of sourts with regards to marriage equality in this country? >> i sure hope so, those of us who strongly support equality are looking to the court to do something. like the loving case that allowed for interracial marriage. like brown versus board of education. it's time to say you have the right to be in a committed relationship with the person you love and the government shouldn't tell you who that is. it's a simple, clear-cut case and i certainly hope the supreme court agrees
the fiscal cliff. you have immigration, health care. the economy, jobs, getting in the midst of an issue that is still fairly contentious for a significant number of americans, i think poses some political risk. my guess is where this ends up going is, the administration probably doesn't talk about it and probably doesn't go out of its way to enforce it. and i guess we'll wait and see what we actually do. >> young voters, joe watkins, young voters, no surprise here. according to the new republic, a polling that shows quote an impressive 65 to 70% of voters under the age of 30 supporting marijuana legalization. nationwide, this wasn't a study that was conducted in one state or a particular region. joe, does this issue now present the republican party, with a huge opportunity to gain the support of younger voters? >> i would hope, craig, that we would challenge younger voters to look to their better agnels. obviously the recreational use of marijuana is not the central issue that the republican party or any party would want to use to attract new voters. >> it doesn't have to be the central
and washington continues to push america's economy toward a fiscal cliff. republicans offered president obama a proposal that retained the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, and now they say the ball is in the president's court. >> this week we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis. now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> both sides promise to cut trillions from government spending over the next decade, but the republicans insist they can do it without raising taxes on the rich. president obama insists that's a nonstarter. he shared his message with rich folks at the business round table. he told them they could handle paying more in taxes. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that will affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. >> business round table is a lobby group made up of some of the country's biggest ceos, ceos of some of the country's bigg gt companies. if you don't know what the fiscal cliff is, you've probably been li
? is it geopolitical or more of a story about what's happening in economies around the world? >> merry fiscal cliff-mas to you. you're going to see more bouncing like a yo yo, on the fundamental story, the models we have pointing going into 1q, the reason, it sort of rhymes in the spirit of the season. you have non-opec demand growing, global demand slowing, it's not snowing, and down is where we're going. the next big data point is probably the iaea report in february. and if that implicates more progress toward an iranian bomb, there's significant risk to look to the upside. in the meantime, you have a lot of other issues beyond the fiscal cliff. debt ceiling issues, if not resolved in the negotiation looming. and relatively long stocks here in the u.s. perhaps the most interesting part, becky, is to look at the convergence between light and heavy grades here in north america. we have a lot of light oil. and we're actually potentially short of heavy oil. so seeing convergence within that downward trend means there could be a bid for heavier. >> you would guess that would certainly hurt demand. >>
's going to allow us to avoid the fiscal cliff? and if that's true, we think that's not only good for the u.s. economy, we also think that's positive for the global economy. >> have you weighed in in washington? did the leaders know your view on things? >> yeah, i think you saw at the business round table that i participated in that group there was a lot of coverage of it the last day or two. the position we've taken in borrowing your by line, this is a time for legislation, not for vacation. and it is critical that we get this compromise done. it's not about declaring winners and losers, it's about finding a solution for the united states which is good for employees and is good for retirees. it's good for investment and takes care of the unemployed. that can be done. we've done this before. we believe that we need to all bring our pressure and our support to our elected officials to get that deal done before year end. >> do you think that there's any real commitment to cutting spending by the president? >> i believe that all the parties involved in this transaction, and as you pointed it's
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won't want to miss it. >>> still a stalemate over the fiscal cliff on capitol hill. house speaker baner making comments earlier. meanwhile, a new poll out today on the cliff, economy and our leaders in washington. john harwood live at the wlous with more on that, john, over to you. >> reporter: sue, we will have full details tonight after 6:30 p.m. but for now, we've got one early release question which the results will not come as a surprise to anybody on our network because the desire by the public for law makers in washington to make a deal is very strong. when we ask people, do you want both sides to compromise on their positions, even if that means cuts in social security and higher taxes, or do you want them to stick to their position, 65% of the american people say they want both parties to compromise only 28% say stick to your positions. that is very consistent with the desire on wall street. and it is on main street as well, to get something done. and as you mentioned, sue, there has not been much external signs of a deal. though we did have an exchange of offers and that
on the economy. white house wants at the very least a long-term extension of the debt ceiling in any fiscal cliff deal. the republicans now see the debt ceiling as their own leverage. they're demanding a steep price to include it. who anyways if obama will ultimately go along with something like this. but it is a talk that there is still one crucial way he's at the mercy of republicans. it leaves him with a tough choice. to pay their price in entitlements or play debt ceiling chicken with them again. okay. does it for "the cycle" today.
, 146,000 new jobs. it's good news for the economy and good news for the president. president obama's approval rating is at a three-year rate. 53%. and 53% say they trust president obama to avoid the fiscal cliff. compared to just 36% who trust republicans in congress. also today speaker boehner said he wouldn't rule out an agreement to raise taxes as part of a fiscal cliff deal. but he also said there's no progress. this is what winning looks like. joining me now, e.j. dionne and thank you both for your time. senator solis, the jobless rate is at a four-year low. that's quite an achievement. >> yes, reverend re. but we still need to do more. in sectors like retail and health care and tourism and hospitality. we need to do more because people are still suffering. we've got to put jobs back in infrastructure and construction and put our teachers. that's why the president is working so hard so we don't go off the fiscal cliff so we keep the most vulnerable people out of harm's way. to pay $2,200. we've got to talk about fairness here and i'm very excited that the public is listening t
. >> as we continue to try to solve the fiscal cliff, the thing we have continued to look at is our economy. today in the whip's office we will have small family-owned businesses in there and talk about ways to protect the family business, continue to grow while at the same time make sure we solve this fiscal cliff. look, each and every day as we walk the halls, you continue to ask the questions. you want the answers to solving the fiscal cliff. we put the offer on the table and the president now has to engage. the next 72 hours are critical. if he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give you the answer of where we're going. this is the opportunity for the country to lead and opportunity for the president to lead. >> as these fiscal cliff negotiations and debate continues, i think it's important to remember that washington doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem. and under this administration, under president obama, we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate, and yet he keeps demanding that we have seen record deficits and a record debt accum
the state of kentucky. senator paul, welcome, as always. i want to ask you about the fiscal cliff, the state of play. there's revenues on the table. there's tax rate increases on the table. i don't know if there's spending on the table. what's your thinking prigt now? >> that it's a really, really bad idea to raise taxes. if you want your economy to grow, you should do the opposite. we have to cut taxes. that's how i'd fix the economy. leave more money in the private sector. the president is adamant about raising taxes and he's dead wrong. >> there are some people saying we need a deal to avoid a huge tax increase but year end that would throw us into recession. just a thought, would you compromise in terms of let's say a smaller tax rate increase -- let's say the top rate goes to 37% instead of 40%, maybe the threshold goads es to $500,000 $750,000 rather than $250,000? does that interest you? >> no. but what about means testing for entitlement. why don't we say the rich get less social security and they pay more for their medicare? it meets the president's animus that we must get more mone
of these solutions that the fiscal cliff presents, how am i going to word that? it's too much austerity and it is too much tax increases at least, for the budget, or the for the economy to manage. so my question is, that was very wordy, how much is too much, how much is too late to try to just stabilize the problem we're in? >> well, ashleigh, you described the problem, really, it's not just the immediate fiscal cliff, it's this big thing in my book, savage truth on money. i've had that book about how we really are coming to an impasse. and the only way out is economic growth. that's only way the individual family -- you know, if you have a budget problem, if you could only get a better-paying job. if someone else in your family could work, you'd solve your problems right away. the same thing for the united states economy. we need to grow. we won't grow until we have confidence. confidence for business to expand, for banks to lend, for consumers to go out and buy that new house, and we won't have that until we get congress to act. that's the critical nature of this. sure, there's a debt ceili coming
over the fiscal cliff. >> there is evidence that it works. >> very controversial. look, if you didn't have the fed pumping money into the system, where would we be right now? there are those who worry about what this means down the road. when the fed is pushing so much money into the system, quote-unquote, printing money. how will this distort the economy down the road? but for the very right now, their concern about keeping the economy going so that people can have jobs. >> every day we come in, seeing stocks are up. nobody worries about the fiscal cliff? >> some people are worried about the fiscal cliff. what stocks are telling us, they think it will get fixed. fighting over the top marginal tax rate. 30% for the very rich. 37%, go up to 39.6%. they think you will get corporate tax rates cut. when i say they, the market is telling us they think it will get resolved. >> oil prices down, down, way down. >> amazing. analyst assumption you could see oil prices in the u.s. go down to $50 per barrel. $50 per barrel. we have gluts of crude oil from texas, from the bakan region, where the
to get the economy back on track. she was talking about about solutions to avert the fiscal cliff. if if you look at how we got here, nothing gets resolved out of washington, it's an abyss that doesn't need to happen. if you just go back and look at the promises made by poth because massachusetts when he was running for office, when he was running for re-election, he talked about working across the aisle he talked about bipartisan solutions he talked about it a lot and the american people expected that the president would keep that promise. but before the ink was even dry, before some of the states had confirmed and finalized their vote totals for this last election, the president comes out with a hyper partisan solution that's his approach. when the president comes out with his plan to raise taxes on some, not renew ores, to threaten middle class families with a tax increase if some people don't get their taxes raised, there already was a bipartisan solution to avert this cliff. just a few months ago, here in this house, we passed a bill with 19 democrat votes. a strong bipartisa
is this fiscal cliff didn't come out of nowhere. we've known it was coming. it was rolling our direction. but one of the things frustrating americans is it seemed like the cliff was being ignored or just put on hold while the campaign was going on and it was the day after the election. we saw the dow drop 300 points and suddenly everyone woke up and said we've got to face this cliff. the question is can they really address these issues in the next 24 days with the president heading for vacation, congress about to go home. doesn't feel good. >> no. and in terms of we're waiting to find out if we're going to go over the cliff, but we're already seeing the effects of it, aren't we? we have a lot of americans without jobs, and just the fear of going over the cliff is even affecting that, right? because it's affecting hiring. >> without a doubt. you wonder, is it affecting big business or small business. corporate ceos are simply sitting on their hands. you're seeing u.s. corporations with more money on their balance sheet than they've had in years. but the fact that they're paying more health care co
on where we're actually going. >> talk to me about the fiscal cliff and how the fiscal cliff could be factoring into these numbers that are a bit of a surprise off what they were predicting, even though it had a little asterisk next to it that it's going to be unclear. >> one thing we've seen from the fiscal cliff is that ceos have stepped up and gone into congress and washington and said, listen, deal with this issue. it's affecting us. we do know that in the third quarter the fiscal cliff did contribute to a decline in investment. althoughmanufacturing was weakened. it's not justified by the underlying fundamentals. you have to believe that part of that is due to the uncertainty of the fiscal cliff. and we've seen a number of companies coming out saying we're not firing but we're delaying hiring and delaying investment projects. delays in an already weak economy, you don't want hesitation. it's a vicious cycle of hesitation and slow growth. kind of an opposite of what we saw in the '90s where you had certainty and caution thrown to the wind in robust growth. >> christine has one
the fiscal cliff in the united states. >> mario monte, called supermario in the eu. he has announced an early resignation. markets down. and japan is technically in a recession, the world's third largest economy. took a look at numbers and japan technically recession. the mood dour around the world. the fed this week, fed meeting two-day fed meeting, ben bernanke and federal reserve officials, will they announce a new federal stimulus? a lot of reasons to be on guard. "the wall street journal" front page, the wobbling consumer. friday, more data about the consumer. consumer spending, consume err sentiment. jobs growing, not so robustly. you have the consumer angle, and another reason why confidence is weakening, the deadline. the fiscal cliff for companies, small businesses really december 14th. december 14th? what are you talking about? >> think about when you get paid. when does your paycheck come? they have to start changing payroll processes now for january 1st of next year. software, they've got they don't even know what your tax withholding rates are going to be. the american payroll as
to avoid the fiscal cliff, carl. >> times a-wastin. with the deadline inching closer what needs to be done to reach an agreement? judd gregg is a former republican senator, governor of new hampshire and co-chair of the campaign to fix the debt as well as a cnbc contributor. i'm glad to say he's at post nine. good to have you back. >> great to be here, carl. >> is the conventional wisdom that the president has won this round correct and is that good if your goal is to get to a deal in the end? >> i think the president clearly has the microphone and he has the election behind him as the winner so he obviously has more cards i believe than the republicans have, but i think speaker boehner has acted very responsibly here, come forward with a very aggressive proposal. he said he's willing to raise revenues so he's moved that needle very considerably. and to me all that needs to be done to get this deal done is for the two of them to get in a room and ask the staff to go to lunch and they work it out, because the parameters of an agreement are pretty clear. >> the speaker has not brought up rate
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